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Post by thecolm on Nov 3, 2009 12:05:41 GMT
Yo, if that new rule applied to the sprinter doesnt apply to the new jeep ( as its not as long ), id like to apply to do the test or wat ever to become a driver on it. whats the process there? ;D
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Post by Ginge on Nov 3, 2009 13:30:38 GMT
The conditions for people being allowed to drive the 4x4 specifically have not yet been made known as far as I am aware, however I could be wrong. I do believe however the same restrictions will most likely apply to it, as this thing is a beast pretty much. Again though, I need to get confirmation on it.
Otherwise, the committee must approve someone before they can drive, and as we can only have so many drivers on a vehicle (3 I think), those will have to be chosen carefully based on what we see our use of the 4x4 extending to.
I'll let you know once I know though what the conditions are.
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Post by Paul on Nov 3, 2009 16:39:54 GMT
Its called a Toyota Land Cruiser Colm
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Post by cillian on Nov 3, 2009 16:48:18 GMT
thats what is is alrigth Paul ... the vehical protocols will be applied to all C+S vehicles ( Minibus, Sprinter and Landcruiser)... its not the size and length that is the issue its expierienced and safe drivers that paul lee is trying to promote as all the vehicles are valuable assets that carry passengers whose safety is even more important.... also too much damage has already been done to the sprinter over the last while. Council has to pass the final conditions anyway so they wont be fully known for anotherwhile... there is more emphasis being placed on driver liability too if they damage any of the vehicles Is Mise Le Meas Cillian ;D
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Post by Keith on Nov 4, 2009 0:54:30 GMT
For all drivers on a B licence they must have had 2 insurance policies, one of which must have been on a full licence.
Drivers of the Sprinter will all now have to go out with Nessans who will sign a letter of recommendation, they will not be allowed be insured until they get this.
This will mostly likely be applied to the Jeep as you will be responsibile for 7 other passengers and a 4.2 L vehicle.
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Post by woodsy on Nov 4, 2009 16:52:06 GMT
I don't know if its known but i think this yolk is a monstrosity of a vehicle and i think anyone who wants to be on it should have to go through the committee for their permission.
And frnakly i think nobody but Cillian needs to be on it so therefore if anyone else were to want to i would be completely opposed to it unless there was an amazing reason for it.. Its not even entirely necessary for Cillian to be on it with the minibus fulfilling the same capabilities..
Just my opinion but i think the engine size is unnecessarily enormous and we have no need for it
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Post by Paul on Nov 4, 2009 17:28:06 GMT
woodsy the Land Cruiser was bought by the Students Union for use by Students in their respective clubs and societies.
Of course we will get people on the Land Cruiser not only Cillian because if people want to go and do an activity such as rock climbing go to IBLs, Orienteering, hillwalking and caving it can be taken for that.
Completely opposed to it is limiting activities in the club. With such a resource available to us we should grasp this opportunity.
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Post by woodsy on Nov 4, 2009 18:02:51 GMT
a 4.2L jeep in the hands of people aging 18 - 25 wouldnt normally happen and is loading people who have never driven such a sized engine is nuts i think.. it is most useful to the rowing club and other clubs who need to carry huge trailers... its not been needed so far and couldnt limit it that much with us being fine the way we are so far
however this is just my opinion but i wouldnt accept it, its too dangerous i think
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Post by Ginge on Nov 4, 2009 20:11:04 GMT
Just pointing out that regardless anyone wanting to go on it will have to be passed by the committee. That is from Clubs and Societies and it has to be done.
The Jeep is something that is needed. Clubs and Societies have been developing for years and this is simply the next step in the development.
I would like to also point out that the OPC are not the only Club that require either the use of the Sprinter or the Minibus, and that an extra vehicle for people to work with means that not only us but other clubs will be able to do more activities.
Cillian will not always be here, and Cillian should not have the responsibility alone to have to drive the minibus or the jeep whenever we need someone to. We need more drivers who will be there to help develop the club and it's activities, it is that simple.
However nothing will be done until the conditions have been decided upon by Clubs and Societies. I acknowledge that it is a powerful machine, but so long as people are competent and careful drivers who are aware of what they are driving there is no reason why anything should happen.
All of this said, anyone with problems is free to bring them up so that we can discuss them at a Committee meeting :-)
So feel free to post your views guys.
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Post by thecolm on Nov 5, 2009 1:50:21 GMT
"For all drivers on a B licence they must have had 2 insurance policies, one of which must have been on a full licence."
Is B licence a regular car licence ya?
As far as it never having being needed... woodsy you werent there when myself tony and rob got tonys car stuck in fair head for two hours in the middle of nowhere ;D the jeep would have come in fair handy then.
keiths post says its all... lets start mowing down some pedestrians... JOKE!!!!
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Post by Darragh K on Nov 5, 2009 2:22:47 GMT
According to Cillian this evening the jeep is actually a 3.0 litre, im sure he will be on himself to clarify. Where people got the 4.2L idea from I don't know. I saw it this evening, it really is of huge benefit to the clubs and socs. We will probably use it to tow the caving trailer on some of the trips as sometimes you have to go up farm tracks etc and the minibus just isnt able to pull the trailer up them.
We have it now so why would you only have one person from the club on it? Its there to be used, not to be looked at and ogled over!
I think there is a new policy with the sprinter and jeep where if you do ANY damage to them, you have to pay for it.
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Post by cillian on Nov 5, 2009 10:43:13 GMT
howdy,
ill jump in to clarify a few things if i may... ;D please Excuse the length of it but i want to open up this thread a bit more
the new C+S 4X4 is a three litre- long wheel base -passenger vehicle its a 2004 jeep and has been bougth by C+S for the benifit of all members of every club and socieity
the vehical was bougth as there was a 4X4 requirement for clubs towing trailers and going to locations a bit more off the beaten track
the reason a passenger model was acquired was to be like the sprinter a people carrier similar to the sprinter which had the extra row of seats put in. ( initially the sprinter had been proposed with three seats and i put forward the concept of the extra row of seats)
the sprinter is used a lot by societies and clubs simply as a people carrier.. the 4X4 should release the sprinter more as a choice of vehicles is available on a car license. (
the Jeep will not be given out to people who are inexpierienced drivers ( none of the three vehicles will be- bus and sprinter included)- therefore there is no greater risk to peoples lives. the thing is noboby is being forced to drive it. its not the vehicle is the problem but the way its driven... so training and lesson subsidies are provided..
Apart from that i have been doing the majority of the driving for the club for the last while and i welcome the expanding of our driver numbers and vehicle options... for a few reasons
more vehicles means more accessability and the possibility of more trips.. its like paul says being opposed to it limits our activities and our potential growth...
more drivers releaves me of situations like last year where i had to drive up to dublin with the group for the spain trip and other situations where one driver can end up doing a 427 mile trip in one day ( with breaks obviously ) but it wiould be nice to have shared journeys
Example Benifits include the option now exists for two caves to be covered on a wednesday nigth by two groups ( sprinter and 4X4)-- just one example but a simple way progression can be made in the club skill set as of now..
also... orientiering can use the 4X4 to go to events as a people carrier
Ridge walk on a saturday anyone
Climbing in the burren/Donegal etc
people were opposed once upon a time to the sprinter saying similarly that not having it has not hinder clubs and socs but who could argue against its benifit now? its clocked up 60K kilometers in less than two years...
as darragh said the facility is there why would you only leave only one person drive it?
Also at this point can i ask others who are interested in minibus driving to contact me and ill fill you all in in the details aobout licenses etc...
i hope this helps demonstrate the benifits on offer... safe drivers are who we will want...
Any further opions or points... fire away...
Is Mise Le Meas
Cillian
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Post by woodsy on Nov 5, 2009 10:48:47 GMT
grand i understand that the need for a vehicle is there but somethng of this size is ridiculous.. i'm just using Cillian as an example because of the caving trailer thats really all the use i could see it for.. I am entirely aware that the OPC are not the only club that use the vehicles and think there is very little if any need to point that part out.. I would just be very wary of putting people our age behind that size of an engine and I would feel responsible were something to happen to them however if it is only a 3.0L I would be much more comfortable to say yes to people going on it.. but i'll wait until Cillian confirms this
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Post by woodsy on Nov 5, 2009 11:01:33 GMT
If it is a 3litre thats much more useful and practical..
Also my issue was not the use of the vehicle but the power it possessed so there is no need to keep pointing out the uses..
Thanks Cillian for clearing that up..
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Post by thecolm on Nov 9, 2009 22:29:16 GMT
Hey, I've been told that the requirments for driving the jeep are that you need to have been insured under 2 policies while holding a full licence. I think (will confirm later) that I fall under this category. So... I'd like to express my interest in becoming a driver on it.
I think it would be great to have a driver who also attends the IBLs as there is alot of interest this year. It would also allow us to bring gear, stay the sat night and climb sunday.
I'd would be free every weekend if plans were made for small trad climbing trips (again there is alot of interest in this this year) and it would be great to get a good group of people regularly climbing
Also I think the more different drivers we have on the different vehicles (i.e not the same 3 people on all 3 vehicles) is definately advantageous as it increases the chance that someone will be able to drive people somewhere in something (a possible total of 9 drivers as against 3).
I'd appreciate any comments or feedback
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