Wall access

[Mitch]

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Confused?

[Superboy]

Sometimes what makes a joke funny is not knowing if it's a joke or not.(joke)

[Superboy]

I read this whole thread and now I'm confused. Most of the people in the club this year won't even have been around when the whole issue of wall access arose and we ended up getting kicked out for a time. Seems like the Sports department or buildings or whoever calls the shots just doesn't like the OPC. The days of the string were the best. I don't ever remember any problems with security when you'd let yourself in, despite the fact that I all but lived down there for a year, nor any real danger as you'd always stay low when you were on your own. Climbing makes practically no noise, so I don't see it interfering with the academic purpose of the building. Bless them, 'academic building'. Did noone say "What do you mean?" when they dropped that one?

[woodsy]

why dont we just see how things go with the 6 o'clock? then move forward quickly in the first few weeks to see about a mid day slot.

If we move together we will have more sway as the OPC has provided so much to the college. If we as a whole want to cooperate and move in the same direction we have to be lenient and understanding of the other. It can happen. we can definitely move towards that training mid day and pose it to relevant department. Sure the restrictions of normal hours are obvious but there will have to be better cooperation not just asking for more the whole time and offering little or nothing in return.

Give a little to get a little.

[cillian]

the security issue is that on health and safety grounds no building or room is supposed to be used in UL unless it is officially opened for an activity.... and unless we are given specific permission to use a time slot during a day we are not supposed to be using the wall for climbing. thats the official line which has been repeated to a number of us on the committee when we have met people in the respective departments over the last two years....

the academic building status is as a result of the PESS department being based there and officially in charge of the building until 6.00....we are not the only club which has had issues with the split nature of the PESS building - sub aqua, Archery and some others have had issues directly related to the building being both an Academic building during the day and a sports building in the evening.

its not that the departments dont like the OPC in fact they have been very helpful and facilitated us more than most clubs in the past.... however they have rules and expect us to adhere to them and respect them....once we negotiate and iron out their concerns we should be able to expand ... woodsy summed it up well

Give a little to get a little.

also woodsy is correct, the best way to do that is using the 6-7pm slot and then having a development plan to present after a time .

if it can be presented in club development terms then there is hope of expansion but thats what needs to be presented... give an idea of the people who used the extra time the benifits they got/will get etc

if you really want it, start drawing up the document that expresses the sentiments that Harr put forward above... it needs to be brougth forward so those with the ideas should put them forward fully... when thats given to the committee it can be reviewed, forwarded and presented on behalf of the OPC


the benifit of this thread is that it sets the scene and gives an idea of what is necessary to bring forward change...

Noting is impossible but time and effort is required....

things change... the days of string access are gone, supervisors once got paid...etc but we must deal with the current situation...

[Ginge]

I can't really add anything new to this as everything has been discussed.

When it came to discussion last year, it was assumed that we have a great deal more power than we have with the climbing wall, which we swiftly explained that we didn't and so decided to move on with solutions to the problem.

It was agreed 6pm would be used, and then further things after that would be investigated.

If people are unwilling to work with the committee then that is a shame, but lack of interest cannot be confused with facing the reality of going through a set process to gain access.

I'm sure top of the agenda will be figuring out this as the year goes on, but issues going to the PESS and Sports Department will most likely only be listened to if they come from the club itself. What Cillian says is true and in most places they appreciate following the hierarchy. Individuals from Clubs/Socs don't go asking for things to the heads, they approach their committees who then approach the heads.

We will work on it, I can promise that much.

Sorry there is one thing I can clarify:

When it was originally brought to my attention last year, the request was for a slot particularly for a select group to develop their skills. What the committee decided was that we like training to begin that is open for all members (6-7pm) and then look into extra stuff for others who may be interested. As far as I know this is still the approach that is going to go ahead.

However if the club decides they want to take competitions more seriously (we don't have a lot of people who go to comps, but definitely have some great climbers already), then that is a decision for the current committee to make based on the interest that is being shown right now.

[Darragh K]

I think this discussion has gone as far as it can go and therefore I have locked this thread.

To clarify:
There are numerous issues with opening the wall during the day, we currently dont have access during the day.

We are trying to change this for training purposes.

The plan is, and always was, to start off by opening the wall from 6-7pm for training on certain evenings which are still to be decided.

As we told Darragh last semester, a proposal will have to be made and put forward to try and get access for training purposes during the day. This proposal will have to be drawn up by primarily the climbing officer, reviewed by the committee and then submitted to the relevant people, on behalf of the committee of the club. This is how it works, going yourself to try and get the OPC wall open is just not going to get you anywhere, you wont be listened to. They will tell you to go back to the committee.

You DO have the support and backing of the committee, you just have to realise that it is going to take some time to do what needs to be done. We are just trying to outline what needs to be done and the hoops that need to be jumped through.

If you want to get the wall open, then arguing on an internet forum is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike, contact darragh and help him out with the training proposal for climbers.

If there is anything further on this, email me at [e-mail] and ill forward it on the committee email or [e-mail] (Darragh).

[tony]

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